More complaints about orthodox seminarians.
"I am concerned, and I don’t want to isolate this clericalism to Rome," said the Rev. Tom Splain, an American professor of cultural anthropology at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. "It’s on the increase in all of our seminaries. Kind of a return to piety, kind of a superficial piety. … What happens in Rome is you have a greater percentage of those types."
Splain, who teaches many of these students at Gregorian, believes the church should discuss issues like ordaining female priests and permitting condom use. He and other critics, including some cardinals, worry the strict doctrine enforced by John Paul has left the church increasingly out of touch with modern realities, especially in the developed world, where in some countries church attendance fell during his 26 years as pope.
The young seminarians and priests who come to study in Rome are "careerists," he said, who spend very little of their careers in contact with regular parishioners and their problems.
The Rev. Gerald O’Collins, an Australian professor of theology at Gregorian, said he had noted a "shift to the right" among students.
"I think there is a doctrinaire feeling among a lot of seminarians," said O’Collins, who has been teaching 35 years and, in spite of his anxiety over the seminarians of today, is not a particular advocate of liberalism. "And a bishop sending someone here is going to pick the reliable, safe ones. … I think pastoral experience is a great reality teacher. They can’t live like that. In the pastorial situation, they’ve got to be wise and helpful."
You would think by the opinions of these men that believing what the Church actually teaches is some kind of disease. Orthodoxy is passed of as "those types." If these professors had their way "those types" of seminarians would be forced when walking through the streets to shout our "unclean" as they go. To the modern mind what is more leprous than orthodoxy, the contagion to be avoided an any cost. That "pastorial experience" will cure them of silly ideas about fidelity, chastity and the moral teachings of the Church.
It is no surprise that Newsday takes a sneering approach to the seminarian interviewed who gave what they say is the "party-line approach" and "spoke as one voice." They must have been especially frustrated that the seminarian from the Sudan would not bite on the question about condom approval. "
One young deacon, from Ireland, forcefully told a reporter that he didn’t think an interview should focus any longer on the issue of condoms and HIV.
I do wonder what they consider forcefully as, I doubt if it would coincide with mine.
A truly “forceful” response from a young Irishman would have given the reporter a few days off, perhaps.
Anyhow, I’m glad to see some “doctrinaire” seminarians. That’s kind of the whole point of a seminary: to faithfully pass along doctrine.
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I wonder what he considers “wise and helpful” in the way of “pastorial” (sic) guidance. I’ll bet a nickel he means something to do with sexual morality. The next Holy Father will do very well to look closely into who is teaching at these places, and why they think their ideas are more “wise and helpful” than the teachings of the Church.
Well, if the modernest are upset, then the world can’t be totally bad. I am happy now.
The only thing that makes me sad is the fact that these faculty members are right in Rome.
no no no…
they’re “wrong” in Rome.
Hahaha… I love the Christian impugning going on: “superficial piety,” “careerism,” etc. Yeah. I guess he can see into their hearts, since he’s a professor of cultural anthropology.
Whenever I hear a word of caution about the existence of, or an increase of clericalism, I know that I am listening to an idiot or a dissident, or most likely an idiotic dissident. Our (Western) society is so secular and individualistic that any sort of obedience, submission or even filial respect, no matter how small or tepid, is viewed by the dissenters as a cancer.
I welcome the complaints of �widespread clericalism�, because it means that the existence of piety is on the rise and the enemy is fretting it.
When your worldview has the entire sweep of history pointed inward at the great “ME”, it’s probably difficult to objectively look outward. Our archetypical modern reporter is so self-involved and swimming in the culture of the here-and-now, that to appreciate a trove of two thousand years of contemplation and exegesis (by thinkers just as capable and “modern” as we) is probably impossible. When you believe that truth is equal to jet aircraft and Jacques Derrida, you cannot help but to disconnect from the past.
They observe new technology replacing old, and mistakenly make the leap that thought must be replaced as well. Orthodoxy is lumped together with bloodletting, and in the throes of hubris-filled self-involvement, the entire inheritance of human understanding is discarded as yesterdays fashion.
In their race to achieve an earthly “sophistication” they have failed to appreciate the sophistication of encountering the full sweep of human understanding, that our forefathers met substantially the same moral challenges as we face today. Orthodoxy is just another name for an old man who has learned from his mistakes.
I have been reading Witness to Hope, John Paul the Great’s biography. That professor doesn’t hold a candle to what John Paul II did as a Priest, a Bishop, a Cardinal, and Pope.
This guy talks about HIV and Condoms, teaches and in 400 years no one will know who the heck he was or even give a rat’s rear end who he was.
In 400 years John Paul II will be looked on as one of the Greatest Popes in the history of the world.
(I can’t believe the rest of you haven’t jumped to this yet, but…)
I think Rev. Tom has a lotta Splainin’ to do.
I found it interesting that priests from Africa were looked upon as unenlightened compared to the European professors. I’m sure these priests, who have probably had friends and family die from AIDS, know far more about what causes the spread of HIV, what works to stop it (abstinence), and what doesn’t (“safe” sex with condoms).
Oh, and count me in with the “conservative” seminarians, even if I’m not in Rome.