Liturgy The Party Line by Jeffrey Miller July 30, 2007 written by Jeffrey Miller July 30, 2007 Thankfully Fr. Z fisks the Commonweal hysterical rant on the Motu Proprio so I don’t have to. Now if only Commonweal was as against abortion and true evil as much as they are against the extraordinary form of the Mass. 4 comments 0 FacebookTwitterGoogle +Pinterest Jeffrey Miller previous post Contraception vs. NFP next post Companion of Jesus You may also like Automatic Holy Water Font November 12, 2009 Youth behind resurgence of ancient Catholic ritual September 26, 2004 Vigil of the Rant April 30, 2008 Can there be anything more magnificent? March 5, 2005 Rant August 9, 2004 Angels and Saints at Ephesus April 12, 2013 Ecumenical Vespers in Diocese of Linz March 10, 2009 So what's next? November 13, 2007 What's a Hymn For? November 2, 2007 Have a Blessed Advent! November 29, 2014 4 comments GeronimoRumplestiltskin July 30, 2007 - 2:18 pm For the life of me, I cannot understand why there has been such a kerfluffle over Motu Proprio. So the Latin Mass will be more available. This is something to get into high dudgeon about? Is the post-VII mass being prohibited? Are those who prefer it going to have to drive 100 miles to find it being said? Your average Catholic Church has about 6 masses on Sat./Sun. to choose from. I really can’t see the Latin Mass occupying more than 2 of those slots, and I further imagine that one of the slots will be the 7:30am Mass on Sunday morning. So those who prefer the new mass are going to have to surrender one Mass-time that they would actually go to? This is worth getting all worked up over? I just don’t get it. Peter Brown July 30, 2007 - 10:13 pm GeronimoRumpelstiltskin: me either, personally. The best reason I can figure for that difference between unruffled me and the kerfluffled many is that I’m a convert. So I learned about Vatican II by reading the documents, before I converted, and asking myself, “Can I sign on to this?” And I found those documents often very compelling, and right in line with the direction taken by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. So I look at these recent events and say (with you), “What’s the big deal?” But an awful lot of Catholics came to the Vatican II material in a very different way; especially for cradle Catholics, they grew up hearing the magic phrase “Vatican II” as the Council That Changed Everything—because that’s how, in far too much of the Church (especially in the U.S.), that seems to be how Vatican II was interpreted. But Pope Benedict’s recent documents are—quite intentionally—challenging that interpretation of the Council. So for these folks, who are invested in the interpretation they grew up with (they almost have to be—how do you question an ecumenical council?), these new statements are forcing a rethink of their whole understanding of the Catholic Church. If you’ve spent your whole life thinking of yourself as Catholic and suddenly here’s the Pope telling you that Catholicism isn’t what you thought it was—well, that’s enough to kerfluffle anybody. My best guess, at least. Peace, –Peter mary July 30, 2007 - 11:15 pm Peter, That was a very charitable and thoughtful response. Gives me something more to think about. GeronimoRumplestiltskin July 31, 2007 - 11:54 am Peter, You hit a number of things right on the head. Still, I can’t help but look rather quizically at those making all this fuss. You wrote “But Pope Benedict’s recent documents are�quite intentionally�challenging that interpretation of the Council.” My take on Il Papa’s position is that the Council, in regards to the new Mass, went a little too far, and thinks the Latin Mass should be brought back into the mainstream of the liturgy. He didn’t, however, abolish the new Mass, or raise the Latin Mass to be the normative Mass, he just reintroduced it to co-exist alongside the new mass. As I said in my first message, I really don’t see the Latin Mass taking up more than 2 slots on any given weekend, and think having both forms of Mass available is terrific. So I really can’t see what outcry is all about. You also wrote “If you’ve spent your whole life thinking of yourself as Catholic and suddenly here’s the Pope telling you that Catholicism isn’t what you thought it was�well, that’s enough to kerfluffle anybody.” That’s exactly how Catholics who grew up pre-Vatican II felt in the aftermath of the Council. However, the shift in Catholic liturgy and culture post-Vatican II was much more dramatic, and on much more of a tremendous scale, than your local parish offering 1 or 2 Latin masses a week. So now, instead of “traditionalists” being forced to accommodate a tsunami of innovation, the “progressives” are finding that they must accomodate a few raindrops of tradition, and they don’t like it one bit. As for myself, I have never pined away for the Latin Mass (I’m a cradle Catholic, but born after VII), but don’t see anything wrong with it either. What I find objectionable in all the fuss being made is that the same “progressives” who make quite a habit of praising their own “tolerance” and “appreciation of diversity” are showing precious little of it when it comes to a couple of Latin Masses said every week. Comments are closed.