In a story on yet some more faux-ordinations I have a feeling this is not a direct quotation by Monsignor Art Valenzano.
The pope has determined that some church dogma can’t change, Valenzano said, and this includes a male-only priesthood.
Pretty funny though
to anyone who knows the definition of dogma and it would be interesting how a revealed truth could become an unrevealed truth – sort of a theological mulligan.
Lack of ordination doesn’t automatically bar women from authority in the church, he said.
For example, Mother Teresa had tremendous authority, Valenzano said.
But according to the newly ordained women, females are a disenfranchised caste within the church.
Mother Teresa had moral authority in the church, Johnson said, but no legal authority.
Anybody that reduces the priesthood to the issue of legal authority has no idea of what the priesthood is in the first place. Once again it is seen as a position of power.
"We’re not setting up a new church," Carpeneto said. "We’re not a schismatic movement."
Hey I pertinaciously refuse to submit to the Supreme Pontiff on women’s ordination, but don’t call me schismatic!
Carpeneto talked about church community as a circle of equals, not a hierarchy.
"Just the fact that we’re still using the word ‘father’ [to describe clergy] is beyond a joke," she said. "We want to raise a generation of people who aren’t infantilized."
What?
And while it might appear as if it would take a miracle for the official church to accept their ordination, stranger things have happened and people once despised are accepted into the fold, Carpeneto said.
"The hierarchical church does a lot of posturing and huffing, but we can hold a lot of people in," she said. "Don’t discount the work of the Holy Spirit in this."
And don’t discount another spirit. One that once worked as an apple salesman in a famous garden. It is rather funny for a group that continually seeks publicity and issuing press releases (the source article was based on one) talks about posturing and huffing.
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Maybe Holy Spirit is a pseudonym for Spirit of the Age now?
Hey I pertinaciously refuse to submit to the Supreme Pontiff on women’s ordination, but don’t call me schismatic!
Hah! Reminds me of someone commenting on the Sex and the City episode “Are we sluts?” implying of course that only a jerk would say yes. I’m sorry. I guess we need a nicer word for “serial fornicator”.
These “dissenting but faithful” folks remind me of the bumper stickers and such I saw three or seven years ago that proclaimed George Bush wasn’t their president, despite being American citizens.
Hey, they admit to being schismatic, they lose their leverage. Anybody can go start their own sect these days, but to stand up to Rome? That takes guts. Also some sense, but in the absence of that, arrogance and trendiness will suffice.
Anybody that reduces the priesthood to the issue of legal authority has no idea of what the priesthood is in the first place. Once again it is seen as a position of power.
Yet more evidence that, even if women’s ordination were possible, the women agitating to be ordained are the very last people who ought to be ordained.
Maybe Holy Spirit is a pseudonym for Spirit of the Age now?
Well, that’s basically what the Spirit of Vatican II folks have been saying for decades.
“And don’t discount another spirit. One that once worked as an apple salesman in a famous garden.”
Lol. Except when I cry. I s’pose this is what comes from the “spiritual but not religious” movement.
Another great reason why women should never be ordained priests. The more they pontificate the more they show their “true colors.”
I just wish I could poll these women on their assent to things like the Nicene Creed, or Church teaching on things like abortion and homosexual conduct, or the Real Presence, or the TLM, or a host of other points.
I’m sure that the only infallible authority they’d accept would be themselves.
“We want to raise a generation of people who aren’t infantilized.”
Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya….Now let’s all hold hands and say the Our Father in a circle.
Billy, I think this group’s singing something more like “Can’t Keep it In”.(Cat Stevens)
Oh I can’t keep it in, I can’t keep it in, I’ve gotta let it out.
I’ve got to show the world, world’s got to see, see all the love
love that’s in me. I said, why walk alone, why worry when it’s
warm over here. You’ve got so much to say, say what you mean,
mean what you’re thinking, and think anything.
Oh why, why must you waste you’re life away,
you’ve got to live for today, then let it go..”
Hey, wait a minute, maybe that was the song of the streaker priest. Except his refrain was “Can’t Keep ‘Em On” 🙂
“We’re not a schismatic movement.”
A monkey is still a monkey even if you dressed it in a suit.
“We’re not a schismatic movement”
disingenuously true; to be shismatic they would still have to hold the faith in its fullness…
Monsignor Art is my pastor. He is a kind and humble priest but he hates to make anybody unhappy. I’m sure he gave the reporter an accurate description of the Church’s teaching but I doubt he was very forceful. Please pray for him. He recently survived a serious health problem and we are grateful for his return to us.
“Another great reason why women should never be ordained priests. The more they pontificate the more they show their “true colors.””
Hold on a minute there! Are you saying that all women are like these women? There are plenty of men just like them, and THEY shouldn’t be priests either. As a woman I am insulted! I don’t think women should be priests either, but I hardly accept these gals as representatives of women in general.
I second that objection, Gail! I was assuming, though, that they meant the “true colors” of the womynpriests.
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