{"id":3770,"date":"2007-03-07T13:33:57","date_gmt":"2007-03-07T18:33:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost:8888\/2007\/03\/07\/cardinal-chat\/"},"modified":"2007-03-07T13:33:57","modified_gmt":"2007-03-07T18:33:57","slug":"cardinal-chat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/2007\/03\/cardinal-chat\/","title":{"rendered":"Cardinal Chat"},"content":{"rendered":"

Gerald posts<\/a> part of the transcript for Cardinal Mahony online chat with Adults<\/a> at this years R.E. Congress.<\/p>\n

James<\/strong>: I’ve read that Pope Benedict is concerned about the liturgy and is about to issue a decree that encourages a more generous use of Latin in the liturgy including the use of the Tridentine rite. Do you support this and will you encourage the use of more traditional forms of worship in the archdiocese if he issues the decree?<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: James: of our 5 million Catholics, only a handful are interested in the Latin Mass. I must focus upon the 99% who need a vibrant Mass that includes them in its celebration.<\/p>\n

So I guess he will soon cut his Ministry with Lesbian and Gay Catholic<\/a> since they comprise such a small part of the population. Though there is some good news on this front. It looks like the rainbow fish logo that they had been using on the Archdiocese page is now gone. Amazing what happens when a little national scrutiny occurs.<\/p>\n

I guess also some people will be sad to find out that Masses currently offered in Lithuanian, Samoan, Slavonic, Tongan, Ukranian, Armenian, Croation, Haitian, Igbo, and a array of other languages will no longer be offered. These cultural groups don’t fit into the "99% who need a vibrant Mass that includes them in its celebration." Oh wait these groups will continue to have Masses in their Language. You are in luck as long as you want a Mass in any language but Latin.<\/p>\n

Notice also the seeming dodge of the Cardinal. No answer about whether he supports the Motu Proprio for the Tridentine Indult. Though considering the call for a "generous application" as specified in Ecclesia Dei<\/a> he makes Scrooge seem like a spendthrift by comparison.<\/p>\n

Moderator<\/strong>: From Fran at Congress: I’ve been asked this and I don’t know — Can Catholics’ burial ashes be scattered?<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: Fran: normally, we encourage that all of the ashes be in one place for the sake of the family and future generations, but if someone wants to spread their ashes over the sea or forest, well, they do return to their origins. Just don’t spread them over Disneyland.<\/p>\n

"The practice of scattering cremated remains on the sea, from the air, or on the ground, or keeping cremated remains in the home of a relative or friend of the deceased are not the reverent disposition that the Church requires" (Order of Christian Funerals 416).<\/p>\n

Arleen<\/strong>: My daughter asks, why do we need to go to church on Sunday? I attend faithfully, but my daughter is of this younger generation that doesn’t see the importance of going to church. She says it’s boring and all they do is ask for money. How can we make church and the mass more appealing to this younger generation? I try to set an example, but feel like I can’t persuade them. What can I do<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: Mass should involve the full, active, conscious participation of everyone. If we are involved, we love meeting God in this form. There are great Masses for teens, such as parishes with Life Teen. Find her a group of active Catholic teens who love Mass, and she will too.<\/p>\n

What that can’t be. Cardinal Mahony says they already have a "vibrant Mass that includes them in its celebration." Maybe the guy’s daughter just happened to find the one non-vibrant Mass in L.A.<\/p>\n

Leonel Martinez<\/strong>: Cardinal Mahony, thank you for providing this forum for discussion. Some have suggested that the American bishops have not followed the wishes of Pope Benedict XVI because they have opted not to uniformly deny communion to Catholic elected officials who support abortion rights. How would you answer them?<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: That is not what our Holy Father is asking. Rather, he is asking that everyone who approaches Holy Communion should make sure he\/she is living a life worthy of Jesus in this Sacrament. The burden is on the recipient, not on the minister.<\/p>\n

It is really hard to be charitable with that answer other than that he has actually never read what then-Cardinal Ratzinger said on the subject. In a letter by Cardinal Ratzinger given to Cardinal McCarrick that was suppose to be presented to the Bishop’s conference (but wasn’t and was unknown until later leaked) called Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion<\/a> he said:<\/p>\n

Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.<\/p>\n

Funny it seems to me that the burden is on both the recipient and the pastor. The pastor must meet with him and warn him and if ignored be "denied the Eucharist." This is of course totally in accordance with Matthew 18:15-17 and of course Canon 915<\/p>\n

Though one charitable explanation for this total lapse in understanding what was written would be that Cardinal Mahony had one of the former translators who use to work for ICEL translate the Cardinals letter from plain English to whatever dynamic language ICEL calls their translations. For example ICEL would translate the final passage to:<\/p>\n

… and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist by himself<\/em>.<\/p>\n

The parts of the chat transcript<\/a> I selected was cherry-picked and mostly the answers he gave were not problematic. Be sure to check out Gerald’s comments<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Update<\/font>: Gerald posts<\/a> on another part of the Cardinal’s chat.<\/p>\n

Moderator<\/strong>: From Denny: Why can only men become priests, and not women?<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: The moderator has better answers than I do to that question!!!<\/p>\n

CardinalMahony<\/strong>: Denny: we are following the tradition of the early Church and Jesus’ actions. That has become our Tradition for a long time.<\/p>\n

Gerald notices that the moderator Ellie Hidalgo wrote an article for Busted Halo<\/a> where she criticized the Vatican for the excommunication of women trying to be ordained and compared Sister Chittister with Moses.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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