{"id":2973,"date":"2007-12-02T21:06:15","date_gmt":"2007-12-03T02:06:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost:8888\/2007\/12\/02\/not-being-implemented-at-this-time\/"},"modified":"2007-12-02T21:06:15","modified_gmt":"2007-12-03T02:06:15","slug":"not-being-implemented-at-this-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/2007\/12\/not-being-implemented-at-this-time\/","title":{"rendered":"Not being implemented at this time"},"content":{"rendered":"

From St. Frances Cabrini Parish website and their statement on reconciliation<\/a>.<\/p>\n

With this history in mind we commit ourselves and our community to:<\/p>\n

* Reach out to the gay\/lesbian community, encouraging them to join our parish;
\n* Regularly publish our welcome in the gay press;
\n* Promise to educate ourselves about gay\/lesbian issues and work to overcome stereotypes;
\n* Include a gay\/lesbian perspective in catechesis at all levels, including elementary school age;
\n* Support lesbians and gay men in ways that promote stable, healthy relationships;
\n* Publicly bless the relationships of a same sex couple after the couple completes a process of discernment similar to that completed by heterosexual couples before marriage; *
\n* Stand willing to accept qualified, openly gay or lesbian priests or lay ministers;
\n* Zealously work for and guard the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, knowing that all of our civil rights are compromised when theirs are;
\n* Pray for greater understanding and acceptance of gay, and lesbian people in official Church teaching;
\n* Encourage other parishes to become publicly reconciled with the gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual community.<\/br><\/p>\n

* Not being implemented at this time.<\/p>\n

As you might expect they start with St. Paul statement about their being neither "Jew nor Greek" to set the tone. Apparently there is neither sin nor scandal either.<\/p>\n

Now I have a question? What would they call their discernment process that would be similar to pre-Cana for heterosexual couples? Pre-Sodom doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. Okay that’s a cheap shot, but this glorification of homosexual acts and the promotion of a phony equality with marriage between a man and a women deserves ones. They also rob those who struggle with same-sex attraction from the truth. The problem with liberal churches is that their is no call for repentance unless of course you are a homophobe. The saying is that the greatest trick of the Devil is that he gets people to not believe in him. Likewise the greatest trick of liberal Christianity is to get people to not believe in sin or consequences.<\/p>\n

Now since they put an asterisk on blessing gay marriages I guess "Not being implemented at this time." makes it just fine. Previously the Vatican intervened to have gay pride pages removed from another Minneapolis parish St. Joan of Arc. Most likely we will have to wait for Bishop John C. Nienstedt to become the Archbishop before these problems are rectified.<\/p>\n

Lifesite had previously reported<\/a> on Fr. Leo Tibesar leadership activities in the group dissident group Dignity. Yet it is after that that Fr. Tibesar was made the pastor of this parish. Nobody can say they were surprised. Even stranger is that for years Fr. Tibesar has been involved in the diocese programs for preparing couples for marriage – especially since he seems to have no idea what marriage is in the first place.<\/p>\n

Speaking of his Excellency Most Reverend John Nienstedt, Coadjutor Archbp. of St. Paul and Minneapolis. Last week Nick Coleman<\/a> had a critical article on him regarding a column he wrote. As somewhere quite aware of Nick Coleman and the fact that his columns are routinely fisked for their inaccuracies I knew exactly what to expect before I read the column.<\/p>\n

This week though the Coadjutor Archbishop has responded to his column<\/a>.<\/p>\n

In a Nov. 28 column, Nick Coleman accuses me of not being compassionate toward friends and relatives of persons with same-sex attractions. I vigorously deny the charge. For 13 years I prepared priesthood candidates for celebrating the Sacrament of Penance by counseling them to welcome persons with warmth, compassion and understanding. Anyone who has celebrated that same sacrament with me knows I follow my own advice. <\/p>\n

What Coleman wants is for the church I represent to be accepting and compassionate toward homosexual acts and lifestyles. And that can never be.<\/p>\n

Coleman further claims the Catechism of the Catholic Church does not say that homosexual acts are a “grave evil.” What it does say is the following: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity (Genesis 19: 1-29, Romans 1: 24-27, 1 Corinthians 6: 10, 1 Timothy 1:10), tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. … Under no circumstances can they be approved.” <\/p>\n

As a priest and bishop, I have the responsibility before God and in the name of Jesus Christ to call all men and women to conversion, the first step of which is recognizing sinful activity for what it is. Sometimes that is not a comfortable thing to do, but it is always the compassionate thing to do.<\/p>\n

JOHN C. NIENSTEDT, ST. PAUL;
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\nCOADJUTOR ARCHBISHOP,
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\nARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL AND MINNEAPOLIS <\/p>\n

After the original column I saw an email exchange between Leon Suprenant and Nick Coleman that was quite instructive. It was a very civil discourse, but Coleman’s reading of Nienstedt statement was that it was his intention to make a political statement, that he was telegraphing the diocese that he was a conservative. It is understandable how Nick Coleman sees it this way since he sees everything with political lenses. That opposition to homosexual acts is a conservative thing and not a specifically moral one for him and for many others. The one thing they can’t accept is that people can oppose homosexual acts out of love for the person with same-sex attraction.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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