{"id":13385,"date":"2012-11-20T18:11:36","date_gmt":"2012-11-20T23:11:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/?p=13385"},"modified":"2012-11-20T18:11:36","modified_gmt":"2012-11-20T23:11:36","slug":"holy-order-glass-ceiling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/2012\/11\/holy-order-glass-ceiling\/","title":{"rendered":"Holy Order Glass Ceiling"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So the prominent news I have seen today regards the Church of England narrowly voting against women bishops.<\/p>\n<p>Though I might point out that they don&#8217;t even have male bishops since they lost apostolic succession. The exception would be if perhaps one of their &#8220;bishops&#8221; was actually ordained \u00a0by for example an Eastern Orthodox bishop. See\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.papalencyclicals.net\/Leo13\/l13curae.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Apostolicae Curae<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Still CoE watching is always rather interesting considering all the factions and the attempt to please everybody by pleasing nobody. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2012\/11\/understanding-the-crisis-in-the-church-of-england.html\" target=\"_blank\">Fr. Longenecker has a good short rundown<\/a> on the competing divisions.<\/p>\n<p>I also find the whole theology by vote interesting. \u00a0If only we had that before and certainly the Arians would have been pretty happy about that. \u00a0Not exactly the best of systems, though Barrabas might disagree.<\/p>\n<p>I also wonder about the whole idea of having women priests but not women bishops? \u00a0A holy order glass ceiling. Once you allow for the other will eventually happen. \u00a0At least that is true when you realize that this is really seen through a political lens and not a theological one. \u00a0In some ways I think this should offend feminists much more than the Catholic teaching. \u00a0It is one thing to say that only men can be priests and another to say women can participate in two levels of holy orders, but no further.<\/p>\n<p>Although I feel pretty much the same with the idea advanced by some Catholics that women can be ordained as deacons. \u00a0This is similar to me to the Anglican compromise regarding the three levels of holy orders. \u00a0Supporters of this will say that this is an &#8220;Open theological question&#8221; which I guess means that it hasn&#8217;t been totally ruled out by the magisterium. \u00a0The constant practice of the Church and the fact that early councils such as Nicea I said that deaconesses were not ordained would lead me to be quite skeptical that this would happen. \u00a0Still the great thing about being Catholic is that I don&#8217;t determine the theology. \u00a0I take my cue from the magisterium and then try to learn what the Church teaches.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So the prominent news I have seen today regards the Church of England narrowly voting against women bishops. Though I might point out that they don&#8217;t even have male bishops&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13385","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-punditry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13385","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13385"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13385\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13386,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13385\/revisions\/13386"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13385"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13385"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.splendoroftruth.com\/curtjester\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13385"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}