Think about it
The always sensible Amy Welborn has a good post on the NYT Papal Discussion blog in regards to Latin and Vatican II. She ends with an absolutely great line.
I mean, if you think about it, wasn’t Jesus, well … “pre-Vatican II”?
This demarcation using the council never made much sense and pre and post Vatican II is often treated as having the same weight as B.C. and A.C. which I guess now means Before Council and After Council. This is quite silly and is like looking at one tree ring and picking it out as having more meaning than all the other tree rings. When in reality every Council is a continuation and a sign of growth within the Church.
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Of course our Lord Christ was and is "pre-Vatican II". If Scripture may be believed, He is also "post-Vatican II". Or what did you think the Apostle Paul meant when he said, "Jesus Christ, yesterday, today, and tomorrow"? Or John the Theologian, who recounted a saying of our Lord: "I am Alpha and Omega"?
Jeff,
I attended my first Latin Mass today. I was touched on many levels, even if I don't know Latin. It seems to me that the resurgence of this Mass is the result of too many voices in the wilderness. I can see how the EFM is a unifying force, among other things.
I'm in the same catagory as Amy. I was raised with the "out with the old, in with the new" mentality, as though what had proceeded us was outdated and useless. I know I've been surprised by the timelessness of this beautiful liturgy. I also noticed this morning that everyone's focus was on the service and there was a level of devotion I've never seen before in a Mass.
Not bad for something over 2,000 years old.
Technically, I'm not sure the EFM is "over 2,000 years old."
FJ,
Good point. Jesus wasn't chanting in Latin, that much I know. ;-)
Still, I'd say the Latin Mass is pretty old. Maybe I can safely say over a 1,500 years?
Well the TLM, is surely over 45 years old,defiently over 200 yrs old, how about some of the TLM as old as St Paul. Jesus speaking, how about Arabic, Hebrew, and Latin. How about learning about the "most beautiful thing (TLM) this side of Heaven".Seek and you shall find...... TRUTH
If Jesus wasn't chanting in Latin, He was at least conversant in it.
Or were Pilate, the centurion, and the Roman soldiers were all fluent in Aramaic?
I'm sure Jesus was fluent in Latin, the Mass, i'd say at least 1500 years, definately much older. As the language of Rome was Latin, so hmmm, I'm sure St. Peter could have offered a few Masses in Latin.
Again, a little perspective helps. The Church was in sorry shape before the Council, and Europe especially was decades into a crisis in need of renewal.
I suppose in turn I could say that blogging is wholly in the Spirit of Vatican II, in the sense that (hopefully) the Holy Spirit is with us when we offer our little essays of original material and other sources.
And like other councils, Vatican II also suffers from the same reactionary reactions: people who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into metanoia.
The first Latin Masses were vernacular affairs. The post-conciliar bishops who approved native languages were just going back to the most ancient tradition, nothing more.
Yes, a little perspective helps. HOw about the big picture: We were lied to and abused for 40 years and nobody gave a damn until Pope Benedict XVI, bless his heart, told the truth. The Mass of 1962 WAS NEVER SUPPRESSED.
Todd, you can say what you want. The lie has lost its force and millions of people no longer believe it.
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