Liturgical Jeckyll and Hyde or Bishop Marini and Mons. Marini

Comments (17) | TrackBacks (0)
B16 Blue Vestments in Mariazell

Before - with Bishop Piero Marini

B16 Vestments Cardinal Consistory

After - with Monsignor Guido Marini.

VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI elevated 23 churchmen from around the world to the top ranks of the Catholic Church hierarchy Saturday, telling them they must be willing to shed their blood to spread the Christian faith.

Wearing resplendent golden robes and a 19th century gilded bishop's hat once worn by Pope Pius IX, Benedict presided over his second consistory, bringing to 120 the ranks of cardinals who will eventually choose his successor.

0 TrackBacks

Listed below are links to blogs that reference this entry: Liturgical Jeckyll and Hyde or Bishop Marini and Mons. Marini.

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.splendoroftruth.com/cgi-bin/mt-tb.cgi/5467

17 Comments

Deo Gratias!

I'm no expert on liturgy, but that doesn't stop me from having opinions and I like the "new (old) look."

I can understand why the Pope might not like to have face to face confrontations with an archbishop. I assume he didn't like the "old (new) look" either.

Why didn't he just assign someone (Msgr Ganswein?) to order Abp Marini to cease and desist with the flashy modern vestments (and liturgies)?

Or, as often seems to be the case with the Curia, were there dozens of Marini allies in the Vatican that had to be taken care of first?

The Holy father looks great, he has done so much for the faith in his short but glorious tenure, much more than Pope JPII ever did as actions speak louder than words.

God bless him

Dear Pope Benedict,

Thank you for finally declaring the 60's over.

Lighten up, folks. I assume many of the more wacky vestments are gifts, or have many fans, and at the very least are the work of Catholic vestment makers whose work deserves at least a wearing. There's no harm in the Holy Father's wearing them from time to time, if only to make us more grateful for when he doesn't.

Of course the other one is better. But what is that mandarin hat Monsignior Guido Marini is wearing? It frightens me!

-But what is that mandarin hat Monsignior Guido Marini is wearing?-

Didn't Marilyn Quayle wear a hat just like that?

That's actually not the Monsignor, but Mar Emmanuel III. Delly, Patriarch of Babylon, head of the Chaldean-Catholic Church (=most of the much-suffering Christians in Iraq). So it's not "Latin" tenure.

Gall is right, the first one is a gift made by some Austrian artist. When pope goes somewhere abroad for a trip (or better said he accepts an invitation), the hosts do prepare everything, also the vestments. It's unpolite to refuse gifts just because they don't fit your aesthetical expectations or ...? Anyway I never saw pope dressed like that in Vatican (in the "vestments" style from the first pic.)

Well said, sldousek. I know first hand that THE POPE did NOT like the chasuble set out FOR HIM at WYD in Cologne (it was too big), and so HE decided that HE would not wear it (and HE chose one that Archbishop Marini had brought from Rome, specifically in case such a thing happened).

So if THE POPE did not want to wear the blue vestments in Austria, it's pretty obvious the HE would have refused, and it's preposterous to think that HE would have humbly submitted to the "demands" of the Papal MC that HE wear something HE didn't want to!

Rush Limbaugh often speaks of BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. It's amazing how many Church Queens have MARINI DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

Get a life, girls. Turn off EWTN for a change and watch the Patriots - Eagles game tonight.

Albertusminor,

I appreciate beautiful vestments (afterall, God IS Beauty), AND I'll be watching my Pats tonight.

Problem solved.

The next thing that would be nice to see is the retirement of the pastoral staff inaugerated in the reign of Paul VI and the return of the real bishop's crozier -- after all, Benedict is the bishop of Rome. Bishop's use croziers -- like shepherds. There must be about 500 stored in the sacristy. I'm sure any would be more appealing and more appropriate to the office.

Aw, I was just thinking, "Cool red hat!"

OUR Pats, Thomas . . . but what happened to that 24-point favorite thing - and, on the other side, what must Donovan McNabb be thinking, the day after (his birthday AND that game)!!!???

Ah, to the question as to why the Pope just didn't replace Archbishop Marini with the likes of Msgr Ganswein, it is because the former was completing a 5 year stint in the job. He actually had completed 4 of those, starting in 1987, so had the job for 20 years.

Pope Benedict inherited him, but when this 5 years were up, he replaced the archbishop, with the younger and more traditional Msgr Guido Marini, a protege of the late Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa.

To bad so much time is wasted on liturgical vesture,
small liturgical matters and the like. The Church from bishops to priests to parishes really need to start addressing the circumstances of modern people or it is going to become more and more irrelevant. Plunging mass attendance figures should move everyone into the highest gear, but instead we have people rearranging deck chairs...

I don't know how anyone could claim that in a year, Pope Benedict has done more than Pope John Paul the Great did in his tenure. John Paul II did more to bring the faith to the young of the world, like myself, than anyone could have ever imagined.

Because of the work of the Polish Pope, the Church is young again. The Church thrives in ways that it never has before.

Pope Benedict is an exceptionally holy and blessed man, and surely qualified to be in the seat of Peter, but such a comparison this early on isn't fair to him or to John Paul II.

I grew up in the 30s and 40s and really dont like the Traditional Robes,do you? All these young seminarians and young priests will have to study Latin. Priests around 65 dont know Latin as well.
Never learned it in the seminary.
POPE BENEDICT.. DID YOU MAKE A MISTAKE...
SHOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN AB PIERO MARINI OUT OF HIS POSITION. HE WAS SO DEVOTED TO HIS JOB.
GOD BLESS HIM.

Yes the Greek Captcha is a joke

Leave a comment

The Curt Jester

A former atheist who after spending forty years in the wilderness finds himself with both astonishment and joy a member of the Catholic Church. This blog presents my hopefully humorous and sometimes serious take on things religious, political, and whatever else crosses my mind.

My conversion story

Email Me:

Blessed Miguel Pro, S.J.

Known as "God's Jester" was a martyr for the faith and a man of wisdom, fun, tricks, poetry, song, and dance. Thus seemed an appropriate Patron Saint of this blog.

Shameless Promotion

The Curt Jester: Disturbingly Funny --Mark Shea
EX-cellent blog --Jimmy Akin
One wag has even posted a list of the Top Ten signs that someone is in the grip of "motu-mania," -- John Allen Jr.
Brilliance abounds --Victor Lams
The Curt Jester is a blog of wise-ass musings on the media, politics, and things "Papist." The Revealer
Not all the Jester’s lines hit their target. --Commonweal
Funniest Blog

Info

Blogging since:
7/24/02

This site established:
9 Feb 2003

My Previous blog
Atheist to a Theist

Catholic since:
Easter 4/4/99

Human since:
Conception 1958

Sponsors

My other blogs

Real Sponsors

Archives

Supernatural Weather

Site Meter

Powered by Movable Type 4.1

Navigation

Find recent content on the main index or look in the archives to find all content.

Subscribe

Atom
RSS

Catholic Sites

Catholic Podcasts





SQPN is a source for great Catholic podcasts.

Ministerial Bloghood

Bloghood of the Faithful

A Catholic Life
A Catholic Life
A Catholic Mom Climbing the Pillars
A Catholic Mom in Hawaii
Ad Altare Dei
Ad Limina Apostolorum
AdoroTeDevote
Alive and Young
Ales Rarus
A (little) Light from the East
After abortion
Against the Grain
Aggie Catholics
Aliens in this world
American Chesterton Society
American Papist
Ancient and Future Catholic Musings
Ask Sister Mary Martha
auntie joanna writes
A Wing And A Prayer
Basia Me Catholica Sum
bettnett.com
Bethune Catholic
Blog by-the-Sea
Brothers and Sisters of Perpetual Discernment
Cacciaguida
Catholic Analysis
Catholic and Enjoying It!
Catholic Cartoon Blog
Catholic Fire
Catholic mom of 10
Catholic Pillow Fight
Claw of the Conciliator
Chad Is Not Enough
Charlotte was Both
Chris Cuddy
Church of the Masses
Christus Vincit
Cnytr
Come on, get lively
Confessions of a Hot Carmel Sundae
Concordia cum Veritate
Conspicuously Lacking a Latin Title
Convert Man
Cor ad cor loquitur
Cosmos-Liturgy-Sex
Courage Man
Creative Minority Report
CUF Blog
Crusader of Justice
CVSTOS FIDEI
Dad29
Danger! Falling Brainwaves
DarwinCatholic
Deal W. Hudson
Defenders of the Catholic Faith
Defensor Veritatis
Dei Gratia
Deo Omnis Gloria
Disputations
Dominican Idaho
Doxology
Dyspectic Mutterings
Eagle and Elephant
Ecce Homo
E-Pression
Erik's Rants and Recipes
et cetera
Et tu, Jen?
Eve Tushnet
feminine-genius
Fiat
FideCogitActio
Fighting Irish Thomas
FIRST THINGS: On the Square
Five Feet of Fury
Flos Carmeli
Flying Stars
Fonticulus Fides
For The Greater Glory
Fructus Ventris
Gen X Revert
Get Religion
GKC's Favourite
God's Wonderful Love
Godsbody
Happy Catholic
HMS Blog
If Flannery Had A Blog
Holy Cards For Your Inspiration
In Defense Of The Children of Light
In Dwelling
In Light of the Law
Ingatius Insight Scoop
In Nomine Domini
Jeff Cavins
Jimmy Akin
John C. Wright
Jumping Without A Chute
Kansas City Catholic
La Salette Journey
L.A. Catholic
Laudem Gloriae
Laus Crucis
Lex Communis
Live + Jesus!
Lofted Nest
Looking Closer Journal
Laodicea
Man with Black Hat
Maria Lectrix
Mary Meets Dolly
McEvoy's Musings
mere comments
Mommentary
MONIALES OP
more last than star
Mount Carmel Bloggers
Mulier Fortis
Musings of a Pertinacious Papist
My Domestic Church
Mysterium Fidei
Nunblog
Oblique House
Off the Record
On the Other Foot
Open wide the doors to Christ!
Pro Ecclesia * Pro Familia * Pro Civitate
Quenta Nârwenion
Quo vadam ed ad quid?
Ramblings of a GOP Soccer Mom
Real Clear Religion
Recta Ratio
Rerum Novarum
Ride of the Rohirrim
Rise of the TOB
Ruri et Orbi
Roman Catholic Blog
RORATE CÆLI
Sacramentum Vitae
Seize the Dei
Shades of Gray (Umbrae Canarum)
Shrine of the Holy Whapping
Singing in the Reign
Small But Disorganized
Some Have Hats
Sonitus Sanctus
Southfarthing Soapbox
Spirit of Vatican 2 Catholic Church
Sterquilinium
Stony Creek Digest
Stupidus
Summa Contra Mundum
Summa Mamas
Summa Minutiae
Ten Reasons
The Anchoress
The Ark and The Dove
The Art of Apologetics
The Blog from the Core
The Caelum et Terra Blog
The Catholic Warrior
The Charcoal Fire
The Commonplace Book of Zadok the Roman
The Cornell Society for a Good Time
The Crescat/a>
The Daily Eudemon
The Dawn Patrol
The Digital Hairshirt
The Fifth Column
The Inn at the End of the World
The Ironic Catholic
The Lady in the Pew
The Lair of the Catholic Cavemen
The Lion and the Cardinal
The New Liturgical Movement
The Paragraph Farmer
The Ramblings, Rants, and Raves of John Book
The Roamin' Roman
The Sci Fi Catholic
The Scratching Post
The Way of the Fathers
The Weight of Glory
The Wired Catholic
Thicke
Thoughts and ruminations of a man on a quest
Thoughts of a Regular Guy
Thoughts of Apolonio Latar III
Tremendous Trifles
Trousered Ape
un-Muted Mumblings
V for Victory!
Vatican Watcher
Veritas
Veritas nunquam perit
Vivificat
Video meliora, proboque; Deteriora sequor
Why Fret?
Winterr's words
Wretched Ones
Zippy Catholic